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January 04, 2007

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DK

Sweet - "How big is my classroom? 4 walls or the horizon line?" - that's a keeper and can be adopted in any situation not just the classroom...

The only suggestions I would make is to make it clear at the beginning whose 'voice' it is in? Sometimes slips from the educator to the educatee - great stuff though!

Christian

Thanks for the feedback, DK!

Why 2 voices: Future allows everyone to be learner/mentor at once. That’s my argument (he smiles).

Cheers, C

John Pederson

DAMN.

This made me sit up and think really, really hard.

I'm a noted sucker for manifestos.
I want to have hugh macleod's baby, alas, i'm male

best thing i've found on the net for a really, really long time

John Pederson

Ok. Even better than the first time I read it.

Most important thing I've read on the Internet in 10 years.

And that there Internet is only +10.

Christian

John,

I’m just a bit – understatement – humbled by your first comment. Far more humbled by the second comment.

The coffee was focusing my energy earlier today after I had read Hugh’s last manifesto post. Beyond that, it was typed in a mad rush and only edited to fit his word count filter. Beyond that, it’s a very rough 1st draft…and at best is meant to be a spark for others – like yourself (hint) – to follow suit with more thoughtful and measured and edited and articulate manifestos of your own, or adding to what I did but taking it up a notch.

Someone earlier mentioned I should have added “Learn: By Any Means Necessary” which was something I’ve been saying more and more in other posts. Perhaps that’s the working title of it all. A thought.

Again, I’m humbled. Thank you. You have a great eye and blog sensibility, so I’m really flattered.

Cheers,
Christian

Kelly Dumont

Isn't part of the point that the voices should become indistinguishable.

Christian

Kelly – Absolutely.

As an ex-English teacher, DK’s challenge was good for me to hear. I was not technically consistent…and if I was ‘grading’ my manifesto as I used to grade the work of my kids, I’d have down-graded this. But then again, ‘learning’ is not owned just by the student…and so I’m comfortable letting the voice-slide remain.

But you said it best, it should ultimately be indistinguishable.

Thanks for leaving the comment.

Cheers…and I enjoyed discovering your site tonight, as well.

Christian

Don

Well written and very thoughtful. Thank you very much.

steve ladan

11. I know as much as you do.

What 'wisdom of age'? What generation gap? These days, I know and think as much as you do. So don't worry if you can't get what I'm seeing, or if you can't tell where I'm going. I'm seeing farther than you are because I'm standing on your shoulders.

--
Hope it makes any sense. XD

Christian

Steve,

Really appreciate that you took the time to comment – and push the list of 10 to 11! Good stuff that. From the traditional view of student and teacher – I’m assuming 11 is written in the voice of the student – this is turn-it-upside-down stuff. And opens up endless opportunities.

Additionally, appreciate your working with your recent post by riffing off of ‘the Bass Player’ (his post was a response to a challenge of mine a ways back) by looking at a specific context of a specific country. Very wisely done!

Again, thanks for the comment.

Cheers,
Christian

David Jakes

Wow. This absolutely rocks.

Kelly Christopherson

AWE! That's my first response. AWE! I think this not only fits students but anyone who is trying to move others who are stuck in "the past" Because my shoulders get sore after a while, maybe we could switch places so I can see the new landscape, if just for a moment. To work at this together, not as a contest or a right/wrong but as a mutual acceptance of humanity trying to "go where no humans have gone before." Realizing that there is a place for more than one view, that not all youth are here but we should want them to move in this direction and that, as adults, maybe we need to refocus what we are doing so that we are able to take part in the journey instead of checking to make sure everyone has clean underwear!
Kelly

John Pederson

I passed this around in my office this morning.

This afternoon, a colleague walked in.. "You have to read this."

:)

Scott McLeod

Very nice. FYI, I reformatted it a bit so I can use it in some presentations I'm giving this month.

http://scottmcleod.typepad.com/dangerouslyirrelevant/2007/01/future_of_learn.html

Thanks for this great resource!

hugh macleod

Hmmmm... it seems that I've blogged you. Or maybe that was just a rumor...

Thomas Clifford

Brilliant.

For sure, I'll be sharing this with those who question everything I do.

Thomas R. Clifford

Scott Kosman

Definitely one of the best things I've read in regards to education in quite a while. I almost got riled up reading it, thinking back to my college days and how many things I wish my school and professors had done differently. Maybe I wouldn't look back on most of my formal "education" as a waste of many thousands of dollars.

Sara

Powerful vision! Congrats. I do caution its use outside of the education field. To me, it is too much to be used in every "learning" setting. Example - if I followed your manfesto to learn at my job, I would have been out on my rear within a couple of months. Those old farts that walked uphill both ways have knowledge on these processes I am only going to get by listening to them and having time of my own to experience things. Not by reinventing the wheel and reprimanding them for not learning technology fast enough. That is why my company hires whippersnappers like me; to deal with the technology in a smart way.

However, I do find your words useful. I do wonder about "kids these days" sometimes and how they think and really, I should be considering myself on of the kids, as young as I am. Nice draft!

Kathy Sierra

Wow -- this is wonderful! Thanks so much, Christian.
I'm so glad Hugh pointed to it.

Tom Asacker

Very well said Christian. Kudos!

Michael

I love reading the short manifestos on Hugh's site, but I have to say, this one was MUCH better in the longer version. Excellent work!

Christian

So many thoughts running through my head, but they all start with, Man, thank you! Truly humbled by the response(s), both critical and supportive and curious.

The draft of the manifesto was a rapid-fire draft that was created as a challenge to myself, and hardly vetted or edited. Sent it to Hugh on a lark. Figured, what the hell.

I do hope that it'll spark others -- teachers and students primarily -- to create their own, and teach me a thing or two! Truly.

***

And some specific thoughts to a few of you who left comments after my last response:

Sara: Sara – Thank you for taking time to leave the comment, and to add a layer of appropriate challenge to the issue of age/experience/wisdom. I have no thoughts of erasing the relevance/need of turning to our older colleagues/mentors; I wouldn’t be where I am without many! But this is the first time in our history that the youngest generation has more wisdom/insight/knowledge about the prevailing ‘tools’ of the day, and that changes everything. And frankly it’s the first time that the young do not need – en masse – to be ‘company men’ and do their time and climb the ladder before creating their own opportunities. But for me, it’s not about age – it’s about being both learner and mentor at all times no matter the age. And collaboration/creativity!

Kelly, David and John -- Again, thank you! Pretty amazed by your reactions. Glad you found something that resonated. John, I was intrigued by the debate at the WoW site where you also shared it. Learned a lot; good criticism by 2 of your colleagues, in particular. Thank the group for teaching me some things as well, even if from afar!

Scott -- I often think about the 'investment' I made in college and how I'd have grown as a student if I was starting now with the tools and connections that exist in this 2.0 world we live in. Thank you for your comment and enthusiastic response.

Thomas -- Already left a comment at your site. Loved finding out what you send your days doing -- great stuff, and I just subscribed to the feed.

Kathy -- To say I'm honored that you took time to swing by here is an understatement; consider your writing/perspective to be some of the most vital/provocative/telling that I run into anywhere on the Net these days. Truly. I'm glad that Hugh's posting of the draft manifesto allowed this connection. Most of all, thanks for pushing my thinking on a daily basis!

Tom -- Loved discovering your writing, your book, your site. Lots to explore in the coming days/weeks! Thank you for taking time to stop by and being so generous!

Michael -- Thanks for taking time to read the longer version, and for your kind feedback! Truly appreciated.


Ian H.

While thought provoking, I'm not entirely convinced of the manifesto's accuracy - my students are still in awe of "the box", be it our laptop lab or the SmartBoard in my classroom.

I think the bigger challenge for us as educators is to get the students to explore the mechanisms of technology - so many of them are content to simply use them, until something goes wrong, and then they are out of their depth because they do not understand the processes behind the tools they are using so casually.

As a teacher of a technology class, my biggest difficulty is getting students to the point where they understand how and why they can do something (even with PowerPoint).

Also, while I agree with your point about rote memorization and Google, there is something to be said for learning something so in depth that you can instantly recall the facts about it. I'm not so concerned my History students remember the dates of the French Revolution, but if they can't even tell me what types of governments were involved, we have a problem.

You have some compelling logic in points 1, 7 and 8 which I will have to think about further.

Thanks for the read.

bookwyrmish

Bravo! I really want to make a series of posters and put them up at my school. Each poster could have a large print of the "short form" and then, when people get up close, they would be able to read the longer form in fine print beneath. At the middle school level, and in my school, the language and the grammar would have to be retooled. Would I have your permission?

Making separate posters would make it possible to see it as more of a conversation, and different points of view would be fine. The posters could even be shaped as thought balloons. I see a display board taking shape! I could invite my middle schoolers to add their own voices...

I've really enjoyed finding this site, via Dangerously Irrelevant, and reading the comments here and following the links. I'm relatively new to blogging, and this has been a great way to find more reading (sighs with a smile). I hope I'm not violating blog etiquette here by commenting on someone's comment, so forgive me and let me know if the following wasn't proper: I'm ruminating a lot, lately, about Ian's desire to have students understand the mechanisms of technology ... I'm afraid that was easy for my father's generation, when the local hardware store carried tv and radio tubes and tech-savvy people like my dad could build their own. My father would never have tried to open the box of the vcr player he got later in life, however, and half of his generation were unable to understand the programming rather than just follow the step by step instructions--and failing this,they usually wound up getting their children and grandchildren to program their recorders to tape shows for them. Now, I AM showing my students how to open the boxes and trying to teach them to understand the concepts of file trees and directories--while I am reading that, in 5 years, most of our tech will be a small, personal hand-held device that is a mashup of cell phone, palm, video, and laptops. Factory sealed and disposable. Yech!

Thanks for this grand conversation. Pax.

Danny

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